navieko Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Spotted this big one while driving home... closest thing I could find on the net is Amanita ochrophylla, but I'm still a newbie when it comes to mushrooms so any suggestions much appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn15 Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Spore print color would be useful here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 The mycorrhizal fungi of Australia are mostly different species than we have here in North America. My guess is the mushroom seen here represents a species of Amanita. Not sure what to say about the section (of this genus)... maybe Lepidella, based upon the appendiculate cap margin (hanging material). But, the staining and rather simple basal structure (non-rooting stem with smallish bulb that lacks universal veil deposits) suggests section Validae. there are species that seem to straddle the boundary between sections Lepidella and Validae. I believe a few of these occur in Australia. This may be one such species... but I can't say with high confidence that this is even an amanita. I recommend posting this onto Mushroom Observer. Or, with you permission, navieko, I could use the photos seen here to create an MO observation. In the meantime, if you have a way to dehydrate/preserve the sliced mushroom, then it may be useful to a researcher to have the opportunity to study it. But please don't confuse this mushroom with anything that may have preserved for for eating. This mushroom is possible dangerously poisonous. Addendum... Sorry, I should have first read your introduction to this discussion, navieko. Indeed, Amanita ochrophylla looks like a possibility. If correct, this could be a very useful find. The Amanita Studies website appears to portray this species as rather uncommon. http://www.amanitaceae.org/?Amanita+ochrophylla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navieko Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Appreciate the replies. I'll see if I can get a spore print later today, and in the meantime as per Dave's recommendation I've posted this onto Mushroom Observer as well, didn't know about that site until now, so thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 There's an article on Wikipedia on this mushroom. At the bottom of the page there is a chart that shows it in a subgenus Amanitina in a section Roanokenses. I don't see Amanitina listed on Amanitaceae.org. & was wondering which was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 There is currently controversy regarding the classification of the Amanitaceae. The classic interpretation --due to Cornelis Bas-- places "ochrophylla" into... genus Amanita, subgenus Lepidella, section Lepidella, subsection Gymnopodae http://www.amanitaceae.org/?Amanita+ochrophylla . There is another school of thought that takes "section Lepidella" and splits it into new classifications, including at least one new genus. Dr. Tulloss ascribes to Bas's classic treatment. He disagrees with the splitting of genus Amanita. Not sure, but I think the basis of the proposal to split comes from a difficulty to build a phyllogentic tree for genus Amanita that includes section Lepidella... or at least some of the taxa included within this section. Some of the "Lepidellas" have very ancient lineage and DNA analysis seems to include some "missing links". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Thanks Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navieko Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just an update regarding the spore print, I think it was a little too far gone by the time I got to trying to get a print... all I got was yellow/ochre liquid drop out -- but perhaps at least that gives indication of the spore print color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 I don't think the color of a liquid that oozes out of a mushroom necessarily provides any information regarding the color of the spores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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