salamander788 Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 I'm having a hard time identifying these because they look like muscaria var. Guessowi but the color seems off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipjargendy Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 It is indeed! Those are the kind I see in northern Minnesota. They are Amanita muscaria var. formosa. I've only seen a red one once. They are a pretty cool mushroom to see in person, aren't they! Edit: after I posted this, I noticed the color of the stem... I may be wrong about which variant is pictured here. Usually, I've seen them with white stems... and I get these variants flipped. I think you got it with the var. Guessowi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salamander788 Posted October 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 Thanks for the quick response. I also found these nearby I'm not sure if they're a different variation of muscaria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipjargendy Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 I've never really seen them when they get really old.... its possible they are the same but I don't know. Certainly very cool looking when they're white! I'm hoping someone smarter chimes in here. Wondering if @Dave W might have some knowledge about this. :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastedBrew Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 For the second ones: Maybe Amanita Muscaria var. Alba? That’s about as close as I could get with image searches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Salamander, the color does seem a bit "off" for muscaria. Not saying they aren't muscaria var guessowii (current variety name for the depreciated A. muscaria var. formosa). But, I think there are other possibilities. In order to ID Amanita mushrooms, it is usually necessary to examine the base of the stalk, which may require careful extraction from the ground. The ones seen here remind me of a species recently discussed on the Amanitas of NA facebook page.... a species that even Rod Tulloss does not recognize! Not sure if this link will show the photos/comments. https://www.facebook.com/groups/819482271422155/permalink/1885725484797823/?comment_id=1888194641217574&reply_comment_id=1888221161214922 If you have Meltzer's reagent (difficult to obtain) then r=testing the spores for amyloidity would be useful here. Also, if you have one of these in hand, then vertically sectioning the mushroom may provide a clue. If there's a reddish brown stain inside the base of the stalk, then this may indicate A. flavorubens. I think Salamander's pale Amanitas may be examples of A. multisquamosa that have lost their rings. The stalk bases appear to exhibit the "pantheroid" or "rolled sock" basal volva. Once again... seeing the entire stalk base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salamander788 Posted October 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 At Dave W. The inside of the base of the questionable muscaria was a deep milky white and no I sadly don't have any Meltzer's reagent and as for the multisquamosa do you believe those would have similar amounts of muscimol as A. Pantherina? I don't intend on ingesting these just curious. Edit: both mushrooms have white spore prints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 White non-stained flesh in the stalk likely eliminates A. flavorubens from consideration. I think the yellow ones may be A. flavoconia. But, without seeing the base of the stalk it's difficult to say with confidence. Amanita multisquamosa was once considered a variety of A. pantherina. I would assume similar toxins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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