CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Found in grassy area near live oaks Actually found a hand full more 50 yards away, no trees around Scales on cap.Stained or bruised brownish upon handling. Fibrous stem No spore print yet. I’ll have one by tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattVa Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Any clues in the smell? I have found a couple look alikes or bad ones,but the smell always made me leave it. Some where very medical/chemical smelling and some that could have been old where terribly fishy. Cool find, I look forward what others say on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Thanks Matt !! Things are finally coming alive !! No chants yet Smells delicious !! Lol Like store bought button mushrooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Ok after a little more research looks like A. Campestris doesn’t occur east of the Rockies ... Agaricus andrewii?????? Looks like I may be mailing spores to you Dave in hopes of nailing this one down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 I would say spores are brown . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattVa Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 I have read about the cogwheel pattern on underside unopened Horse and ring on the stem when opened. Spore print looks like it fits. Looks like your on the right track Cajun with Andrewii but having never found it myself I'm pretty ignorant on this one. Cant believe your not into the chants yet your usually teasing everyone with onion bags full by now. I have picked a few handfuls but nothing stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Yeah but I’m still not sure. Patiently waiting on the experts lol I read there’s a Cortinarius out there that’s pretty similar.... even rust brown spore print. Maybe it only occurs in Australia though. Lol sweet potato sacks to be exact. Won’t be long ..... I hope !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Very likely a species in the Agaricus campestris group. If it was one of the toxic Agaricus, it would probably have an unpleasant medicinal odor. Additionally, a few of the toxic Agaricus species have caps with lots of dark scales and/or flesh that stains yellow. The young ones seen here show intact partial veil, but the older ones lack rings on the stalks. This is consistent with A. campestris, which has partial veil that collapses onto the stalk and very quickly becomes indistinct. Definitely not a species of Cortinarius. I don't think scoping the spores will help a whole lot here. Agaricus spores mostly do not not vary much across the genus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Thanks Dave !! Been looking forward to adding agaricus to the list. Went back to lick more after your reply. Should I be concerned with the the ones with dark scales ? Could you provide an example of toxic agaricus with dark scales ? Possibley a link to ME.... I’ll do more reading after work Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Cajun, the ones seen in your photos look like A. campestris to me. Here's a few observations of toxic Agaricus that I find here in NE NA. A. placomyces http://mushroomobserver.org/255870?q=P9t7; A. pocillator http://mushroomobserver.org/251176?q=P9t7. There are edible types that are fairly easy to confuse with these, mainly woodland species of Agaricus. A. campestris is not really all that similar to these types. The west coast has at least one toxic Agaricus that may be mistaken for A. campestris, eg. A. californicus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agaricus_californicus. A particularly bothersome species is A. xanthodemus http://www.mushroomexpert.com/agaricus_xanthodermus.html. This is a species that occurs in grassy areas and is not particularly scaly. The yellow staining separates it form the campestris types. Confusion with A. arvensis/crocodilinus types is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Thanks a bunch. I did lots of reading and searching the web and looks like most if not all toxic agaricus stain yellow to an extent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Always also check for the phenol odor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 I read that in a few different places. I’m not exactly sure what that smells like. It says “chemicals”....... I’m guessing when it is present it is unmistakable?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattVa Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Cajun ,for me it was a very obvious offensive odor. Kinda like rubbing alcohol or acetone. Other cleaning type chemicals come to mind. Hard to pick any one smell but you will know when you smell it. You won't wanna eat it if it's like the ones I smelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 I’ll keep that in mind Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn15 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 You can't mistake the phenol odor....especially compared to the sweet perfume like smell of the edible agaricus mushrooms. One is paint thinner, the other extremely pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 So I picked a few more yesterday, same patch/patches,same field. I witnessed at least 20-30 fairy rings with tons of these Agaricus!! Pretty amazing!! The grass was slightly taller around the ringsg (3-4 inches). I’m guessing it’s the mycelium acting as a fertilizer ??? Just thought it was cool lol I picked a few older specimens and noticed that they smelt a little different. I wouldn’t say a chemical smell ...... just a heavy mushroomy smell. Also did a scratch test for yellowing on cap and stem on each and every one as I harvested. Zero yellowing at that moment. A couple hours later after getting home the base of the stems on the more mature specimens were a dark brown stain...... is this normal for A. Campestris types ?? I meant to take some close ups but forgot.... busy chopping chantys and agaricus for the dryer Oh I guess another question would be , will the immature specimens also have this “phenol” smell ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Not sure when the phenol odor first develops. Post mature A. campestris does have a stronger odor than the young ones. For eating, I think the young ones are best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 For me the "phenol" smell is akin to bug spray..... and strongly so. But then again I may have sniffed a mushroom that had been sprayed, is that possible? Either way, I decided that one was no good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattVa Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 The chemical smelling ones I found where just starting to open. Nice haul Cajun! You tried them yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunShroomer3578 Posted June 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks guys. And gal Yes I did with extreme caution. Started off by sampling a small amount. Sautéed in oil , salt and pepper. Pretty darn good. Waited a few days then sautéed the rest and had them with venison burgers I also have a jar full of dehydrated agaricus.... I’ll probably incorporate in a soup. Maybe miso soup or more than likely pho’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattVa Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Very nice, Lots of rain and heat here, chants are popping but no big patches. 10-12 oz at a time......better than none. A few milky's ....ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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