Melga Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 I would really appreciate some help here. I tried to be as detailed as possible. If need be, I'll provide further info. Thanks in advance! Characteristics: Habitat:Pasture. All the shrooms I collected were found directly on cow dung. They feel fragile. Gills: Dark gills. Stem: Lenght is 2 to 3 inches. Most have a thin stem. They are not particularly solid, maybe a bit hollow. White to light brown in color. Some have dark areas. Cap: Diameter is a quarter of an inch to 1 inch. One colony had brown caps and others had grayish with dark areas. Spore print color: Half black/half white paper for ONLY ABOUT 50 minutes. Apparently BLACK spores.https://i.imgur.com/HgcXKp8.jpg Obs: those white spots on the black paper were there already when I bought it. Bruising: Bruising on the cap get darker. Bruising on the stem get a little darker. None of them turned obvious blue or green. So, I found about 3 colonies. Colony #1 (more brown in the caps): In situ:https://i.imgur.com/lFxDJ9F.jpg After bruising some stems and gills;https://i.imgur.com/PxxHfjI.jpg Gills close-up:https://i.imgur.com/8sEkldk.jpg _________________________________________________________ Colony #2 (I'm thinking they are still Panaeolus cyanescens, but since they are more pale in color and with darker areas, I'm not so sure). In situ:https://i.imgur.com/0x5cuUp.jpg Back home with bruises probably from handling: https://i.imgur.com/dCiYeVU.jpg Gills close-up:https://i.imgur.com/eNPV2RF.jpg _______________________________________________________________ Colony #3 (color is ligher on the cap. Found very close to colony #2). In situ:https://i.imgur.com/isR3YmX.jpg Home:https://i.imgur.com/GtDC3Z6.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Melga, did you make and then take down the post of mushroom "A" several hours ago? I was hoping to come back to it. It was a really nice post. Regarding the proposed Panaeolus cyanescens (present post). Nice job with the photos and the spore print. Print is clearly jet-black. That's the advantage of collecting it on a black medium. One may then see any difference between the print and the color black. No contrast here. This is really good info supporting the genus Panaeolus, as is the habitat, meadow with dung. The photos show mushrooms that look like Panaeolus. But there are other dark-spored mushroom types that look like Panaeolus but are placed in different genera... Hypholoma, Panaeolina, Psathyrella, Psilocybe. The lack of deviation from black in the spore print is key here. Particular species of Panaeolus...? I don't know this genus really well, and the few that I have IDed here in Pennsylvania USA likely represent different species than what one finds in Brazil. I have never IDed Panaeolus cyanescens, but it supposedly occurs in NA. Did your mushrooms stain/bruise blue? I see darkening on the mushrooms, but not sure if this qualifies as "bluing". I think it's fair to say that getting a Panaeolus collection IDed to species may require microscopy. Spore size and shapes of cystidia may be enough to nail an ID... not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melga Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Yes, taht was me with mushroom "A". Unfortunately I had to get rid of the previous mushrooms. I'm sorry about it. I'll definitely try to get more of them and give you spore prints (I know where to find more). About the possible Panaeolus, I read somewhere that the bruising of some shrooms could be dark. Anyway, here are some more pictures of bruising and the print after 3 hours. Do you think there could be any poisonous lookalikes? Are there black printing shrooms that are poisonous? Do you think it would be safe for consumption? Thanks for your kindness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 I have little info to share regarding the edibility of species of Panaeolus. I know that some species from this genus are consumed for their psychoactive properties. If this is your interest, then I suggest you visit the website Shroomery, where this topic often takes preference. As far as serving a culinary purpose, I doubt that any species of Panaeolus play a role. Toxic black-spored mushrooms... A few species of Coprinopsis cause sickness when consumed before/with/after the consumption of alcohol. The mushrooms under consideration here do not look like Coprinopsis. Stem seen in next to last photo appears to show blue staining/bruising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melga Posted February 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dave W said: . Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vjhebert3 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 Black spore print and blue bruising = psychoactive 98% of the time. The other 2% of the time the mushroom isn't deadly. According to Paul Stamets. That said those are definitely panaeolus. Whether they are cyanesens or not would probably require a microscope as dave said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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